Tuesday, November 12, 2013

The Dangers of Condemnation


A Methodist minister married his son and his son’s male fiancé some six years ago.  He did so in the full knowledge of his superiors.  Six years later, a parishioner finds out about what the minister did.  The minister is now on trial in the church courts.  He says, if I have the quote right, that he would pick his family over the church any time.

This was the verbal summary I received of a news report on GMA this morning.  If I messed up the facts, I apologize.  This blog post presupposes the information above.

So, how do you react to the story?

“Crucify him?”

Which one, the minister or the parishioner…or the son?

“None of his ***** business?”

The parishioner?  The church hierarchy?

“Well, the Bible condemns homosexuality…”

The Bible also condemns taking the Lord’s name in vain, adultery, theft, and being jealous of your neighbor’s stuff-and those are in the Big Ten condemnations.  And we usually close our eyes to all that!  None of our business or some such...

For example, when was the last time someone was dragged into a church court for damning someone in God’s name for their driving habits?

If we want to get issue-oriented, we can focus on the fact that Jesus never talked about homosexuality, that we have to draw our condemnation for it from ‘secondary biblical authority’.

I was never taught about ‘secondary biblical authority’ in church or Seminary, never found it in my own studies of Scripture.  Jesus is the center of Scripture, the focal point of all of it, and there may be degrees of relevance of how the Bible relates to any given situation, but the authority is uniform.

But it is really, really hard to draw lessons from what Jesus didn’t teach. 

However, there are powerful lessons to be drawn from what Jesus DID teach.  And He taught a powerful lesson on Condemnation.

They dragged a woman before Him condemned to death for adultery.  They wanted Jesus to green light the stoning. 
(The Jews were not allowed to impose the death penalty without Roman approval.  Apparently, they were looking to Jesus to be the replacement authority-but that is another post.)
Jesus response: “You who are without sin cast the first stone.”  He was without sin, and He did not.       

I don’t know if that Methodist minister did a ‘cost/benefit’ analysis for himself before he agreed to perform his son’s wedding.  He let the denomination know.  They apparently had a ‘don’t ask-don’t tell’ policy.  Being a father, there is always a part of me weighing costs and benefits for my children.  I don’t want them hurt, I want to protect them forever, against everything, and it hurts that I can’t, even when its “good for them”.  But where my children are concerned, the cost/benefit is not about me, but about them.

He acted out of love.  And it appears that he would do it again.  And damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.  I would do that for my kids. 

“You’d pick your kids over Jesus?”

Let's consider that question: Would I pick my kids over the condemnation of my church?  No brainer.  Would I pick my kids over Jesus?  The Jesus I worship wouldn't ask that. 

The person most damaged by this news report, in my opinion, is the parishioner who brought the charges against the minister.  It could be argued that he did nothing wrong, that he was within his rights, that he did what the church should have done six years earlier.

You could argue that.  Six years ago, a father presided at his son’s wedding.  Six years later, the parishioner finds out and gets the minister charged. 

Six years have passed and how many other sins have gone by ignored because the world pronounces them “okay”?  Six years have passed and how many other sins have gone by forgiven by Jesus because that is why Jesus died on the cross?  Six years have passed and something in the parishioner has so sharpened in his soul that those years of relationship with the minister are suppressed.

Jesus looked at the assembled leaders of the Jews and told them, “You who are without sin, cast the first stone.”  He was without sin, and he did not.

13 comments:

  1. Okay. Got to weigh in on this one. A number of issues that are distinct from each other.

    Issue 1 - Bible on homosexuality - It is pretty clear that the Bible teaches that sexual activity is meant for one man and one woman who are committed to each other in marriage. Jesus does mention this (Matthew 19:4-6). And the weight of Christian teaching across time and space confirms this (i.e. this is what it means to believe in "the one, holy, catholic church").

    Issue 2: Grace - Yes, grace is a central part of the Gospel. Jesus forgives sins. Key part there is that there is sin to forgive (1 John 1:8-9). Grace doesn't mean that we don't sin, or that we should not turn away from sin, but rather that Jesus Christ has paid the penalty for our sins and gives us strength to overcome sin. Grace is not then telling someone else that it doesn't matter if they sin, but rather in loving them despite their sin (difference between apathy and love). A truly loving father would not indulge his son's sin, but would instead - by his words and actions - love his son even while telling him "I love you son, but this I cannot do because I believe it is wrong." Not easy to do, but it can be done because I have seen it done.

    Issue 3 - Church discipline - Any organization has boundaries, the question is what they are. The Church must set boundaries by which those looking on can ascertain what is acceptable behavior or not. You can debate about what those boundaries are, but gay marriage is not recognized in the Methodist Church and this dude knew that. He consciously and deliberately violated the rules of his denomination. The one thing about civil disobedience is that you need to be prepared for the consequences. You might argue against what the boundaries are (fair enough) but that goes back to issues 1 and 2. This really has nothing to do with condemnation unless you are suggesting that nobody ever, anywhere should ever be disciplined. Is this what you are suggesting? Proper discipline is not to "condemn" someone, but rather to correct the person and protect others. In this case, someone who brazenly flouts the rules of his denomination can't cry "condemnation" when the rules are applied to him. What is happening here is that the Methodist Church is saying "this sort of behavior is not compatible with what we expect from a Methodist pastor". That isn't condemning him, merely holding the guy accountable.

    Issue 4 - Due process in church discipline - there is no suggestion that due process was violated in charging this minister. Thus, I don't see the six year issue. We all know the gamesmanship that is going on in the Mainline denominations over this issue, and so we don't know exactly why six years elapsed. But bottom line is that in any case, this minister knew full well six years ago that what he did was in violation of his church's rules and he did it anyway. The Methodist Church is within its rights to say in response "no, if you choose to ignore the rules which you swore to obey when you were ordained, we will remove you from the ranks of ordained Methodist pastors."

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    1. Let us play.

      Issue 1: One man and one woman. Define those. Ain't physical, because that ain't 100%.

      Issue 2: See Issue 1.

      Issue 3: Church discipline evolves. See issues of slavery, issues of 'natural' white dominance over First Nation Americans, issues of "White Christians" pushing opium into China, the list goes on and on.

      Issue 4: Due process. We are talking church, not a court of law. Jesus is about mercy and love.

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  2. Issue 1: Man and woman are self-defined. While there are a miniscule number of persons that may not immediately classifiable, the exception does not swallow the rule. Marriage was created by God for one man and one woman, and if you think God got that wrong (i.e. "male and female He created them"), I think that you had best take it up with Him and not me.
    Issue 2 is quite different from Issue 1. You can insert any sinful or harmful activity here. If you come to me and tell me that you are having an affair, am I obligated to affirm you in that because I don't call you out on the fact that you also speed in school zones (or maybe because I also speed in school zones)? I think that grace would make me say "brother, I can not bless or affirm what you are doing here. But be that as it may, I continue to love you like a brother." And then I'd best act like it. Now you can argue that forgiveness and grace is not relevant to this (i.e. there is nothing to forgive) but that was not your argument above.

    Issue 3 - Church discipline does evolve as does most things. But you miss my point on church discipline. Suppose that this minister instead had led a white supremacist Klan rally six years ago and he remains defiant about it. And supposed that the Methodists have clear rules condemning racist activity. Would you say "oh, well that was six years ago, so no worries"? No, you would probably say the dude should be defrocked. Again, you might argue that the Methodists are wrong in not accepting gay marriage, but if you grant that they have the right to have a code of church discipline, I don't see why they shouldn't be permitted to enforce it.

    Issue 4 - Yes, Jesus is about mercy and love. Does that mean that Catholic pedophile priests should not be defrocked? Again, once you accept that a church can have a code of discipline, there is nothing wrong if it is being fairly enforced. You might disagree with the substantive provisions of the disciplinary code, but so it is.

    So I would say this. If this Methodist minister thinks that gay marriage is so important that he needs to conduct one, even though his church says that it does not accept gay marriage and performing one violates a pastors' code of conduct, he was free to resign his Methodist orders and become ordained in a denomination that would allow him to do gay marriage. He chose not to do this. He deliberately violated the rules he had sworn to uphold.

    It seems to me that the issue all comes down to this "should a given denomination permit its clergy to do same-sex marriages or not?" All of the arguments about forgiveness, condemnation, other sins, etc., are all red herring issues.

    So it seems to me that rather then criticize denominations that don't agree with your stance on same-sex marriage, it would be more helpful to consider how we who call ourselves Christians can best live out our communal Christian lives in light of the deep differences we have. That will probably mean that we have to "agree to disagree" and live in different ecclesiastical jurisdictions as we see happening. Sad, but unfortunately necessary, I think. And so the key is how can we achieve this unfortunate, but necessary end in the most loving and generous way possible?

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  3. I suppose that part of what I have written could more easily be summed up in the following two questions. If you grant that the Methodists have the right to set their own policy on accepting same-sex marriage, then what SHOULD they have done when one of their own pastors flagrantly rejects that policy and acts in clear defiance of it?

    Or to put it somewhat differently, supposed that someone in your Presbytery defiantly and openly violated an important part of the PCUSA Book of Order (let's say they conducted a polygamous marriage). What do you think your Presbytery should do in response?

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  4. It's okay to be gay. I humbly believe that a miniscule number of humans who don't fit human definitions of male and female point to a need to be extremely careful about how we define male and female. I believe God created us to be in exclusive, monogamous relationships. I believe that is how Genesis 1 is to be interpreted. I believe that to use Genesis 1 to isolate "same-sex" couples from expressing the full created joy of God misinterprets Scripture.
    I used to believe as you did. But God has placed into my life women and men who are in loving, exclusive relationships, stronger than many "heterosexual" relationships. I've known people whose lives have been trashed because they tried to hide in heterosexual relationships when that was not how God created them.
    And if I am wrong, I will throw myself on the mercy of a loving God. And even if I am wrong, humans who have sought to condemn in the name of the Lord have been far more wrong and I will not stand with them.

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  5. Okay, that is what you believe, and that is your right. But what then should those churches do that disagree with you? Should they not have the right to have their own church order and discipline?

    I don't really want to get into the homosexuality debate with you other than ask how you square your interpretation of Genesis 1 with this "So God created mankind in his own image,in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." Changing the definition of marriage is not so easy as you think, my friend. Marriage is a sacred union that speaks to the very image of God. You tinker with that, and you tinker with much more than you can imagine. As well, where in the text do you find the requirement that they be "exclusive" or "monogamous"? Out of (a) male/female; (b) exclusive and (c) monogamous, the only condition that is actually in the text of Genesis 1 is (a) male/female. And so I wonder how you can read out the only condition that is actually in the text, but read in two conditions that don't exist except in so far as they exist in the one condition you ignore. But I doubt that we will agree on this and nothing is served by debating this.

    One thing I would question is your accusation that those who disagree with you are "condemning" people. Are you "condemning" people who want to do things that you don't think are right? I know a lot of gay people and have gay relatives. I love them and don't condemn them. I believe that this one aspect of how they choose to live their lives is wrong, but that doesn't mean I "condemn" them. When we speak of homosexual relationships, there can be good present. I don't deny that. But that doesn't sanctify the entire relationship. An excellent discussion on this can be found in this book: http://www.anglicancommunion.org/listening/book_resources/docs/true-union-inthebody.pdf. I include an excerpt:

    "4.27 Having said this, it must be acknowledged that important ‘goods’ can be discerned in same-sex relationships (as indeed in some illicit forms of heterosexual relationships). Something is wrong when the Church refuses to acknowledge that two people in a same-sex relationship may well find they ‘grow steadily in fidelity and in mutual caring, understanding and support…and achieve great, even heroic sacrifice and devotion’.66 The fact that certain human practices are not wholly devoid of good is, however, not in itself sufficient warrant for the Church to confer legitimacy upon them or commend the practice itself (just as the existence of ‘honour among thieves’ does not legitimate the practice of theft)."

    Also, nobody said that it is easy if you experience same-sex attraction. An excellent book on this can be found here: http://www.amazon.com/Washed-Waiting-Reflections-Faithfulness-Homosexuality/dp/0310330033/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1384299838&sr=8-1.

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    1. Churches change as the truth of Scripture is revealed. People identified as gay and lesbian have been put down, condemned, joked about, discriminated against, assaulted, and murdered by those who have not recognized the truth of Scripture. It is an old story repeated too often in the Christian Church about too many group of 'those' people.

      And the tinkering with the interpretation of Genesis 1 has gone on for thousands of years. It is only now that it is truly being understood.

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  6. I don't like the insinuation that people who oppose same-sex marriage also support the violence against homosexual people. One need not agree with a person's behavior in order to respect them and treat them with dignity. And so yesterday I read that some folks in North Korea were recently executed for watching pornography. What was done to them was bad. You don't machine gun someone to death for watching pornography. But that doesn't mean that watching pornography is therefore okay. All people, no matter what they do, should be treated with dignity and respect. And so I was upset to see the capery when Osama Bin Laden was killed). We can treat other folks with respect and dignity even when we believe that what they are doing is not according to God's Will. Fortunately the truth of God's Will in Scripture is not dependent on the behavior of sinful Christians.

    I am also a little disturbed when you say that "only now" is Genesis 1 "truly being understood." What you are really saying is that, in your opinion, only you and a small number of other western liberal Christians who are living today truly understand Genesis 1. In other words, that the vast majority of Christians across time and space don't "truly understand" what Scripture says in the words "So God created mankind in his own image,in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." I get that you have a different interpretation then the vast majority of other Christians, but I don't think it is true that the prevailing Christian consensus on the interpretation of this verse has changed at all.

    Now, I don't think that debating this will produce fruit. There are much more learned folk than us to debate this. And we each have the right to our own opinions, and we should be respected for such. Believe or not, I know we differ on this issue, and that wasn't what interested me in your post.

    And so let me draw back to your original post and one of my points that I was trying to raise up. Granted, you don't agree with the Methodist position on gay marriage. Fine, but that is their policy and the pastor in question openly and brazenly violated it. My read of your post was that the Methodists were wrong in trying to hold this pastor accountable for violating the Methodist rules - and that you held that position quite independently from the underlying substantive issue. I.e., that you were saying "well even if the guy did something wrong, we all sin, so unless we equally prosecute all sin, we ought not prosecute any of it. To do anything else is to be condemnatory which Jesus forbids." Am I understanding you correctly on this? And so, if (and I know you don't think so, but IF) you agreed that the rule violation in question was serious and harm-causing, then how should the Methodist Church have responded?

    Does your response allow for any sort of church disciplinary process?

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  7. How are people who oppose same-sex marriage and people who do or support violence against homosexuals distinguished? How are the hearts of white people, as a group, to be distinguished by African-Americans, who have received violence at white hands?
    I, being white, don't like the insinuation that I am racist because of the color of my skin, but I completely get why that happens and I work extra hard to try and overcome the violence done by others with my pigment.
    The true understanding of Genesis 1 starts with a few. I don't interpret Genesis 1 as a liberal. Don't care for labels. In 1776, all Presbyterians supported slavery. 1859, north and south split over slavery, 1983 north and south finally reunited.
    Of course my response allows for church discipline. But church discipline must be under the authority of Scripture.

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  8. Actually, by and large, I don't think that African-Americans insinuate racism against whites. And I don't, by nature assume onto myself other peoples' guilt. That is Jesus' job. Quite frankly, I am not much swayed by grievance activism. My opinion is that grievance activism only flourishes when intellectual substance is absent. But so be it.

    Now, I still don't understand your response to the Methodist disciplinary hearing. You say that church discipline must be under the authority of Scripture. Yes, I so would I. But I would suggest that the Methodist rule against same-sex marriage has a much, much better argument for being "under Scripture" than does your position (which most Christians would say departs from Scriptural authority). And so, am I correct then that your ire was not so much about the general disciplinary process (i.e. you don't object to pastors being subject to defrocking for rules you like), but rather with your objection to the specific rule that the guy violated (i.e. you object to pastors being defrocked for breaking THIS rule). My sense of your post was that your ire was directed against BOTH the generic disciplinary process AND the rule against same-sex marriage.

    Now I could understand you saying "gee, that is too bad that the Methodists don't agree with me on same-sex marriage" but I don't get the anger at the Methodist church for simply enforcing its book of order. The Methodist Church disagrees with you on the same-sex marriage issue. And their differing position should be respected, should it not?

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  9. Scripture is misinterpreted, people are hurt, it needs to be corrected. That is what Jesus is about. It makes me angry when injustice is done. We are so very hypocritical about condemnation of homosexuality as a culture when so much else, so much more that goes to the true heart of Jesus Christ, is just ignored. It's not a biblical issue, it's a cultural one. I don't know what the fear is in the hearts and minds of this culture that my faith is so coopted.
    The type we've spilled could have done such good. This is enough for now.

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  10. Good to exchange with you. Sharing across perspectives is a good thing, I think, even when the disagreements are great. But this week I (probably like you) also have a sermon to write. But I have a great passage to write on - Isaiah 65:17-25. In fact, I doubt that any sermon can top that. And so time to turn to that task. Have a blessed rest of the week.

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  11. You make me focus my thinking and deepen my convictions, I will give you that.

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